Comments on: Can Hydroponic Farmers Spray Glyphosate Just Before Becoming Organic? https://civileats.com/2019/04/23/can-hydroponic-farmers-spray-glyphosate-just-before-becoming-organic/ Daily News and Commentary About the American Food System Mon, 09 Mar 2020 17:49:33 +0000 hourly 1 By: Ann M Rothweiler https://civileats.com/2019/04/23/can-hydroponic-farmers-spray-glyphosate-just-before-becoming-organic/#comment-143073 Tue, 18 Jun 2019 00:06:51 +0000 http://civileats.com/?p=31206#comment-143073 Just great! I have a frig full of organic produce & pantry full of organic groceries bought mostly from Whole Foods, some from Safeway.
And now I don’t know if the higher price I paid is worth it or doing my health any good!
This would be VERY IMPORTANT to certifiers, organic orgs & boards, growers if they had a large brain tumor & have a family history with FIVE different cancers in it!

It’s very stressful trying to find ways to eliminate carcinogens from my family’s lives after hundreds of hours of reading studies & health reports.

Now I find it might not be doing any good in the food department because of worthless organic rules & certifications that still allow chemicals in our groceries.

Shame on those who have watered down the meaning of organic for the sake of cutting corners to make more money, and who may have taken kickbacks from Big Ag to cut down the regulations.

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By: The USDA Gives In | Real Organic Project https://civileats.com/2019/04/23/can-hydroponic-farmers-spray-glyphosate-just-before-becoming-organic/#comment-142798 Sun, 09 Jun 2019 15:08:54 +0000 http://civileats.com/?p=31206#comment-142798 […] up. Some insisted that this could not be happening. In an interview with Civil Eats, Jenny Tucker claimed that she had investigated these reports with the named farms and certifiers, and that they were not following these practices. It was […]

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By: Kent Casady https://civileats.com/2019/04/23/can-hydroponic-farmers-spray-glyphosate-just-before-becoming-organic/#comment-141965 Sun, 19 May 2019 04:50:55 +0000 http://civileats.com/?p=31206#comment-141965 The most important thing is transparency. Tell the consumer clearly what they are buying and let the consumer decide. LABEL IT! Let the consumer know whether it is grown in soil, grown hydroponically, grown aquaponically, or grown aeroponically. Otherwise the ORGANIC label is being hijacked.

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By: Carlton Keppelman https://civileats.com/2019/04/23/can-hydroponic-farmers-spray-glyphosate-just-before-becoming-organic/#comment-141947 Sat, 18 May 2019 18:19:27 +0000 http://civileats.com/?p=31206#comment-141947 I am very grateful for this article. It clarifies numbers of things. I definitely feel that Organiclly grown means grown in soil that passes the 3 year organic standards! This is important to me.

I live near the Salinas Valley. There are “Organic” farms in that valley (Taylor). How can that be when so much of the agriculture there is anything but organic?

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By: "Organic" Hydroponic May Not Be Bound by a Three-Year Transition Period - Cornucopia Institute https://civileats.com/2019/04/23/can-hydroponic-farmers-spray-glyphosate-just-before-becoming-organic/#comment-141882 Fri, 17 May 2019 11:31:03 +0000 http://civileats.com/?p=31206#comment-141882 […] Hydroponic Farmers Spray Glyphosate Just Before Becoming Organic? Civil Eats by Gosia […]

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By: Dave Chapman https://civileats.com/2019/04/23/can-hydroponic-farmers-spray-glyphosate-just-before-becoming-organic/#comment-134811 Wed, 01 May 2019 12:29:39 +0000 http://civileats.com/?p=31206#comment-134811 In reply to Corina Moise.

Hi Corina,

We hope to have a label coming out this year. We already have 60 farms certified with Real Organic Project, but still no label! We are moving at warp speed. Add your name to our mailing list on the realorganicproject.org website, and we will keep you posted. In the meantime, keep asking the store people if they have soil-grown organic fruits and vegetables. And ask if the organic meat, milk, and eggs come from CAFOs or are really raised on pasture. They proabably won’t know the answer to these questions, but if enough people keep asking, they will find out.

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By: Corina Moise https://civileats.com/2019/04/23/can-hydroponic-farmers-spray-glyphosate-just-before-becoming-organic/#comment-133857 Sat, 27 Apr 2019 15:57:29 +0000 http://civileats.com/?p=31206#comment-133857 Hello, what can I as a consumer do to demand the addition of an addon label. For me it is very important that soil based organic agriculture is sustained. I do not want to purchase hydroponic or aquaponic produce!

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By: jeff brown https://civileats.com/2019/04/23/can-hydroponic-farmers-spray-glyphosate-just-before-becoming-organic/#comment-133738 Fri, 26 Apr 2019 21:53:14 +0000 http://civileats.com/?p=31206#comment-133738 i totally agree with mr chapman certified organic must be grown in soil not soiless here in australia that is the case so far hydroponic organic is not allowed we must fight to keep it that way not follow the usa run by big business as always big money overides rules to suit themselves ,keep fighting, thanks jeff [ certified organic farmer who grows in soil in large greenhouses and outside in the paddock.]

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By: Dave Chapman https://civileats.com/2019/04/23/can-hydroponic-farmers-spray-glyphosate-just-before-becoming-organic/#comment-132892 Wed, 24 Apr 2019 02:06:08 +0000 http://civileats.com/?p=31206#comment-132892 There are inevitable confusions and mistakes in any article, but one mistake that is important to correct is the statement here by Jenny Tucker that the NOP investigated some farm that I identified as having used herbicides. I have never identified any particular farm as using an herbicide. I have received reports that this is happening. I do not know the names of any such farms, and I have never said that I do. So clearly it would be impossible for the NOP to investigate any farm that I identified. But I am glad that they are now investigating these practices. It is important that they also investigate the use of prohibited insecticides in tomato greenhouses transitioning from conventional to organic.

It is not clear to me from Dr. Tucker’s statements in this article whether the NOP is allowing or prohibiting an immediate transition from conventional to “organic hydroponic”. If they are allowing it, then, by logic, they are allowing the use of prohibited substances immediately before certification. I have heard that she will clarify the NOP position at the upcoming NOSB meeting in Seattle.

Even if CCOF does not allow these practices, other certifiers do. It is the Wild West out there, with many certifiers creating their own interpretations in the face of the NOP’s failures.

Also, the NOP HAS conducted a survey of the number of hydroponic operations. Miles McEvoy spoke about this at a 2016 NOSB meeting. He said, “Certified organic hydroponic, aquaponic, and container-based systems constitute an extreme minority of all certified organic operations, or less than 0.4% when combined.”

Finally, Dr. Tucker is quite mistaken that the last three administrations have embraced the concept of hydroponics as organic. The National Organic Standards Board gave a formal recommendation in 2010 that hydroponics have no place in organic certification. A recommendation from the NOSB is a big deal. It must pass by at least 2/3. This recommendation was ignored by Secretary Vilsack, but it was the formal position put forward by the board. It was ultimately opposed by the NOP, which is a VERY rare event. No recommendation since then has been passed that supersedes this. To say that this issue is settled is only wishful thinking for the NOP. In fact, a lawsuit for NOP violations of the Organic Food Production Act is in process, as she well knows.

And to those “tired” of their hydroponic practices being portrayed in a negative light, I say that they should start their own label so that they can proudly advertise the way that they grow instead of stealing a label based on soil health. Some hydroponic growers are proud of their production system, but many who are obtaining organic certification seem embarrassed or ashamed, based on the degree to which they hide their hydroponic practices from their customers. Of course, I am not speaking of Marianne Cufone, who is quite proud of the way her clients grow. But the larger producers do not share her transparency.

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By: Can Hydroponic Farmers Spray Glyphosate Just Before Becoming Organic? – Civil Eats – Nuz Real https://civileats.com/2019/04/23/can-hydroponic-farmers-spray-glyphosate-just-before-becoming-organic/#comment-132859 Tue, 23 Apr 2019 23:37:41 +0000 http://civileats.com/?p=31206#comment-132859 […] Can Hydroponic Farmers Spray Glyphosate Just Before Becoming Organic?  Civil Eats […]

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By: David Langlois https://civileats.com/2019/04/23/can-hydroponic-farmers-spray-glyphosate-just-before-becoming-organic/#comment-132805 Tue, 23 Apr 2019 19:46:01 +0000 http://civileats.com/?p=31206#comment-132805 …and I know not a single grower who uses Roundup on their hydroponic crops or why. One of the benefits of hydro growing is the absences of weeds…. so, not sure what they are spraying, what type of growing system used? Lots of missed facts in this article and misleading statements by this Chapman guy; E.g.not all Hydroponics is big Ag., and that hydroponics is eroding consumer confidence.

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By: David Langlois https://civileats.com/2019/04/23/can-hydroponic-farmers-spray-glyphosate-just-before-becoming-organic/#comment-132780 Tue, 23 Apr 2019 17:53:56 +0000 http://civileats.com/?p=31206#comment-132780 This topic is certainly a potential rabbit hole for contentious debate. The simplest definition for organic growing is production without the use of chemical fertilizers, pesticides, or other artificial agents. In this definition there is no mention of soil, scale, water, frolicking chickens and green pastures. There is a ton of misconception and connotation as to what Organics is and just as much individual preference. Hydroponics has been long used in organic tobacco production, which no one ever balks at. And hydroponics seems to be more accepted when plants are grown through aquaponic methods. I personally have seen organic growers jeer at fellow growers who were speaking at a local conference because they use tractors in their production.. not hand tools. While, or course, most organic farms are not the bucolic diversified family farms of yore, but large swaths of lands managed by industrial means and products sent to the Walmarts and big box stores, not just small hyper localized farmers markets. I myself was criticized by a fellow organic grower touring my farm because we grow in plastic culture and incorporate high tunnels. His disgust with our farm’s use of plastic was most likely less in carbon usage than the gas he used to drive out to my farm. If a plant needs Nitrogen, Phosphorous, and Potassium among the other micro and macro nutrients, hydroponically grown plants or soil grown plants, with or without the cation exchange, still get the same nutrients. Perhaps their might be an argument for the absence of needed amino acids and other complex chemicals not available or presence in soil, but not all crops can be/should be economically grown hydroponically. There is a place for hydroponics in organics, quicker growth, less water consumption and space required are all functions that can be considered as a plus in another tool in the tool box for sustainably grown food.

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